Mr Gabriel when to get off the coal?

I would advise to talk not about the year numbers, but that there is a gradual, planned and predictable exit. For the energy industry, nothing would be more problematic than sudden crashes. Planned and predictable, the exit must be for the people in the Lausitz region and in the Rhenish and the Central German area. You want to know of the policy, whether we mean the creation of adequate replacement jobs, not low-paid service jobs, may it be serious about working in a call center,. Today, we have paid in the Lusatian brown-coal economy, high-skilled jobs with a good pension.

do you Have the feeling that the Concerns of industries and coal workers in the coal withdrawal are not sufficiently taken into account?

The industries price is the Current. Since the state has ways to relieve, for example in the case of the exemption from the EEG levy for energy-intensive companies. I think of it, the Federal government will make in the future use. The employees in the coal it is about the fact that you are proud of what you have done so far. The need to be appreciated. In addition, it takes very specific measures to organize the structural change, new railway lines and the establishment of companies. There was justified criticism of the people, that the competent Commission had not considered these questions.

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call on The Minister presidents of the East German coal country 60 billion euros of structural assistance. The is covered?

I can’t judge because I know the requirements of the Federal States. But it is clear, however: There was 100 000 Jobs in the East German brown coal industry, of which 90 000 have disappeared. The promise to provide adequate Alternatives, has not been implemented. It will now require substantial financial efforts, there is pent-up demand. My advice is, that we, in Brussels, Lusatia, and other areas are now rewarded for their contribution to reach the climate goals properly. The Lausitz has to be a special development area, i.e. a Region in which it promotes with higher resources, settlements and investments over a longer period of time. Since ten years, would be used rather short.

What is the impact of the state elections in the Eastern States of Germany have?

it is Precisely because of the structural break, the Lusatia after the turn has experienced, are the people the policy is skeptical. Therefore, it would not have been all the more important to start the discussion with the exit date, but with the concreteness of the replacement jobs. So the policy would have been able to win the trust of the people. Then it would be afterwards easier to talk about the exit, especially, but also all know that it will be with the brown coal there, finally. So there was a give-and-to different Numbers. It is but for the world’s climate is quite immaterial whether Germany is opting out a few years sooner or later from the coal. It is crucial that the exit comes to plan for all parties Involved.

the debate about the Coal phase-a recovery plan for the AfD?

When the people ignored in their daily lives and all the democratic parties do, then the AfD will try to benefit from it. As far as I know, is been done in the past state elections, unfortunately.

you have the sentence “No Hartz IV for old power plants”. But this is the compensation for power plant operators is exactly the direction in which the discussion goes. A Mistake?

The sentence refers to capacity markets, in which the taxpayers have to pay for power, you would probably never use. The lead abroad only to rely on capacities from Germany and not even in the safe power is invested. For me a Plan would be how to get out gradually from the coal, is more important than the question of how quickly it goes and how high operators can be compensated. In the case of wind energy it was also so that if you wanted to, if possible, to expand quickly, the lines now but are missing. Ever tuned to such changes take place, the better. For this, it may be necessary to keep capacity in Reserve. It is: the systematic, the better and not the faster, the better.

The members of the coal Commission also propose the idea of a CO2 pricing in the sectors of transport and heat. How are you?

The thought of packing up the entire burden of the energy transition solely on the electricity sector, is first in right. However, if only the prices for Oil and Gas will become more expensive, especially people who don’t earn a lot of money to hit the course, for example, the so-called ‘unrenovated commuters’: Those who live in not well-insulated houses, and your car will need to come to the workplace. The policy must clarify first the question of the burden of reducing for these people, before you think about price increases in other sectors. The net income of the people increase, before discussion of the next levy charges. France has tried it Vice versa, and the result of the protests of the yellow West. Those yellow vests are also available in the case of German car drivers rooms. Who now proposed by the Commission in the case of CSU Minister of transport, Scheuer, to increase the price of the fuels of up to 55 cents per litre, must not be crazy. In contrast, the increases in France were downright moderate.

The prices have to speak the CO2-truth, otherwise there is no efficient climate protection.

Fine. Who is talking about the rates of climate protection, must not remain silent on income inequality. Climate protection may not be socially blind. Then the policy must announce before that, clear as glass, where they, in turn, costs will reduce. I know someone who works in East Germany, for 1400 Euro in a Four-shift operation. The need to continue to work with the car, since. I advise, therefore, that the income may not be lost in Germany. A measure such as a CO2 price impacts differently on people. The Argument for climate protection will be the in buying, which I think is dangerous and out of touch. I wish the policy would also develop imagination, how are they going to increase the net income of those in which she has the intention to increase the price of the everyday expenditure.

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(The interview was conducted by Jakob Schlandt, Antje Sirleschtov and Nora Marie Zaremba)