“stay If you’re afraid of big names, but in the bed”, I once told a coach to Christian Gaebler. Gaebler is Director of the Berlin Senate Chancellery. On the weekends, he is the boss on the pitch As a soccer referee, he whistles the Association since 2016 in Berlin football.

Mr Gaebler, why they switch the roles and commute between the Red town hall and the football field?
On the football field, everything is represented, what is there in the society. This has sometimes its quirks. But ultimately, all need to come together right, and if I can contribute as a referee, then the is good and I’m happy to do it. Sometimes I wonder why I drive in rain and snow, through Berlin, to let me of people to yell at.

What you will experience on the Berlin places?
I still have not experienced any extreme experience, so has not yet been threatened or physically addressed. The negativity on the pitch is me, but quite on the biscuit. I notice that the clubs want to get a handle on it – it won’t work during the game, but always. A player has time in the 94. Minute in front of me spit on the floor, because he wanted the free-kick. I don’t understand the players. I gave him Red, and the is, and without a word went from the place.

How they occur on the course?
I’ll have a lot of running. And sometimes I hear even aware of. We have rules and you must enforce. But it is Exciting in some moments to use his tact.

there Are also beautiful experiences?
There was a player who has commented on the entire game. After the game, he came to me and said: “today I have made more mistakes than you.” This was a nice, because players are, of course, make mistakes.

do you See a Parallel between the activities as a referee and as a politician?
This is not a one-to-one translate, but there are a few Parallels. You have in both cases a high level of responsibility. And you must consider how far you can go, and where you cooperate with others have to. There are skills you need in both areas.

What?
For example, the external effect is as a referee, is enormously important. What do I do? Authoritarian or conservative? The need to make the game atmosphere. If one acts as a referee is uncertain, it is always a bad thing, because the acceptance drops significantly. In politics it is sometimes similar, here, too, decisions will have to be sold. If one makes a proposal, you must be also. It is important not to be intimidated, and, if anything, to get excited in a controlled manner. As a referee I do not watch, finally, that I’m going with yellow cards to throw myself and three penalties out of it, but in the course of the game, and in the specific Situation a little bit of weighing what is appropriate.

And Vice versa are asked to use skills from the political operation as a referee?
In the policy, I have learned the different characters and to see to it that all come somewhat to your right. Political experience so it can help referees. The advantage is that as a referee is that you can alone decide. This is in the policy a bit differently.

How would you like it if there were more referees in the policy?
referee are actually, not to make rules, but to a reasonable flow. Policy goes further: It is a question of your own design ideas. In some Places in the policy but it would be good if all of the certain rules, and would then enforce consistently.

Christian Gaebler, 54, is head of the Berlin Senate Chancellery. He is almost every Sunday as a referee in the district League or as an assistant in the national League

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